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發表於 2009-12-27 18:15:55 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>panypan</I> 於 2009-12-27 11:30 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=358131&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> &nbsp; 我有傑森伯恩3的TS,內建的DTSHD音效可以原碼輸出其他片我沒有!手上有的DTSHD都很正常輸出
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<P>Panypan兄</P>
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<P>我指BDMV/BD ISO的wanted, King Kong 等有畫中畫的片子可以出到bit-stream HD audio嗎?</P>
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<P>謝謝</P>
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-27 18:44:39 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>chhanthony</I> 於 2009-12-27 18:15 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=358475&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> &nbsp; Panypan兄 &nbsp; 我指BDMV/BD ISO的wanted, King Kong 等有畫中畫的片子可以出到bit-stream HD audio嗎? &nbsp; 謝謝
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<P>啥瞇是畫中畫????</P>
<P>這些片我都沒有咧</P>
<P>跟其他片有啥不一樣的?</P>
<P>我看看有沒好友有這些影片借來測測!</P>
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發表於 2009-12-27 21:33:46 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>panypan</I> 於 2009-12-27 18:44 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=358495&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> &nbsp; 啥瞇是畫中畫????這些片我都沒有咧跟其他片有啥不一樣的?我看看有沒好友有這些影片借來測測!
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<P>我也不懂畫中畫</P>
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<P>那位兄台解惑一下吧</P>
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發表於 2009-12-27 23:50:12 | 顯示全部樓層
有些藍光碟有畫中畫功能, 可以在播放影片中同時播放花絮等片斷
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發表於 2009-12-28 00:32:26 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>chhanthony</I> 於 2009-12-27 23:50 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=358784&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 有些藍光碟有畫中畫功能, 可以在播放影片中同時播放花絮等片斷
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<P>這樣 來講,潘大在116樓的測試影片:<FONT size=2>魔鬼終結者4就有這樣的內容。</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>潘大可以試試囉!!</FONT><FONT size=2><BR><BR></P></FONT>
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-28 01:55:59 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>seljuk</I> 於 2009-12-28 00:32 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=358839&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> 這樣 來講,潘大在116樓的測試影片:魔鬼終結者4就有這樣的內容。潘大可以試試囉!!
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<P>感謝說明啊!</P>
<P>就是有人邊講解邊播放影片的這些功能嗎?</P>
<P>影片播放中切換其他功能就會跳過去啦</P>
<P>不知道畫中畫要怎搞....</P>
<P>有特殊要測啥的嗎???</P>
<P>這功能會影響音軌???</P>
<P>我再研究看看溜</P>

[ 本帖最後由 panypan 於 2009-12-28 02:01 編輯 ]
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發表於 2009-12-28 12:07:56 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>seljuk</I> 於 2009-12-28 00:32 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=358839&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 這樣 來講,潘大在116樓的測試影片:魔鬼終結者4就有這樣的內容。潘大可以試試囉!!
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<P>魔鬼終結者4應該可以</P>
<P>可測試有PiP的片影如下</P>
<P>King Kong</P>
<P>Wanted</P>
<P>Ku Fu Panda</P>
<P>The Borune Supermacy</P>
<P>The Borune Ultimate</P>
<P>The Mummy Return</P>
<P>The Mummy: The Tomb of the Dragon Empire</P>
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-28 16:11:00 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>chhanthony</I> 於 2009-12-28 12:07 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359123&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> &nbsp; 魔鬼終結者4應該可以可測試有PiP的片影如下 King Kong Wanted Ku Fu Panda The Borune Supermacy The Borune Ultimate The Mummy Return The Mummy: The Tomb of the Dragon Empire &nbsp; ...
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<P>請問一下</P>
<P>如果影片播放中切PIP跟音軌應該沒啥關係才是</P>
<P>除非PIP的影片沒有HD音效</P>
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<P>正常用藍光機跑藍光片內</P>
<P>切PIP會跑DTSHD還是PIP的音軌?</P>
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<P>我測試過T4內的花序影片都不是DTSHD的</P>
<P>按下MENU花絮內的影片就會跑過去花絮</P>
<P>導演講評版本本來也就沒DTSHD</P>
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<P>所以您希望我測試的是跑哪一種音軌?還是說這樣會影響主影片的音軌?</P>
<P>您碰到的狀況是??</P>

[ 本帖最後由 panypan 於 2009-12-28 16:13 編輯 ]
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發表於 2009-12-28 17:52:31 | 顯示全部樓層
因為HDX BD-1, N3同Popcorn Hour的C200也是採用sigma 864X芯片, 而C200當播放有PiP的影片時不能以源碼輸出, 只能輸出LPCM 而N3亦有樣同問題, 但N3可以改為簡易藍光導航去取替傳統藍光Menu, 就可以播放有PiP的影片時能以源碼輸出 為何有PiP的碟特別麻煩呢, 請看看 <A href="http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=41820" target=_blank>http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=41820</A>
BITSTREAMING HD AUDIO Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA compress the LPCM audio signals without any loss of original data in order to save space on a disc. When the saved signals are decoded and decompressed, we will get LPCM signals again. If the disc player decompresses and decodes the compressed audio, it will send the LPCM signals to the receiver. The receiver will then covert the LPCM signals from digital to analog for playback through the speakers. Alternatively, the compressed Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD MA signals can be sent by the player in raw digital format to the receiver (the older PS3 cannot do this) for decoding to LPCM and digital-to-analog conversion. This process is called Raw Bitstream Transport, High Bit Rate Audio Streaming, or Direct Digital Audio Mode, depending on the manufacturer. Bitstreaming is the preferred choice of many critical listeners. If the player decodes the high resolution audio to PCM, any version of HDMI can transmit the signal to the receiver. If the player sends the signal in native digital Bitstreams to the receiver, HDMI terminals on both the disc player and the receiver must be version 1.3, and the receiver must have the ability to decode high resolution audio codecs. If the receiver does not have HDMI inputs, your only option is to use multi-channel analog cables (PS3 does not have multi-channel analog outputs), and you must rely on the player (assuming the player has all the decoders for the high-resolution audio formats) to perform all the digital-to-analog conversion. The main drawbacks to using analog connections is that your sound quality will be limited by the quality of the decoders, audio processors, and digital-to-analog convertors inside the player. Another problem with analog connections is that bass management must be handled by the player or the receiver must have the ability to handle bass management in analog domain. THE IMPLICATIONS OF DIGITAL BITSTREAMING ON AUDIO IN BONUS VIEW FEATURES As was mentioned earlier, many critical listeners prefer that all the processing and digital-to-analog conversion be done in the receiver or pre-amp, which may have superior audio components. To do this, we need to send the audio signal in native digital Bitstreams to the receiver or pre-amp. The downside to sending the advanced audio codecs in native bitstream is that you can only send the movie soundtrack itself. Any secondary content, like menu beeps or the audio that accompanies Picture-in-Picture interactive features is not part of the original bitstream and will not be transmitted. Audio commentaries and alternative-language audio may also be affected, depending on how the disc was authored. The only way to send the additional content is by allowing the disc player to perform the audio decoding itself, during which the player mixes the new material on top of the movie soundtrack for transmission in either PCM or analog format. In some cases, you may lose the lossless soundtrack. If you are watching a movie with the Bonus View features enabled, and you want to restore the high resolution audio, it may require you to stop the disc playback to go to the player’s setup menu, and that can be a big nuisance.
<A href="http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=123049" target=_blank>http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=123049</A> 而C-200及N3暫時未有Secondary Audio On/Off功能, 所以會當遇上有PiP的片子時會強制將主片的Primary Audio解碼至LPCM輸出
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-28 21:56:52 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>chhanthony</I> 於 2009-12-28 17:52 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359395&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> 因為HDX BD-1, N3同Popcorn Hour的C200也是採用sigma 864X芯片, 而C200當播放有PiP的影片時不能以源碼輸出, 只能輸出LPCM 而N3亦有樣同問題, 但N3可以改為簡易藍光導航去取替傳統藍光Menu, 就可以播放有PiP的影片時 ...
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<P>所以您列舉的這些片</P>
<P>我只要從頭尾都是TRUEHD就是正常了</P>
<P>還是說我需要特別去選啥項目來放映?</P>
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-29 00:55:15 | 顯示全部樓層
<P>新版韌體在發第二批機之前一定會先提供給大家</P>
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<P>我發現<BR>對於肉醬版,用智能模式是行不通的<BR>還是會有段落跟段落之間的黑幕<BR>而且段落有長有短,有時一分鐘有時10分鐘<BR>廠商真是防拷的徹底</P>
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<P>另外<BR>黑暗騎士的BDISO改成BDMV還是不行<BR>有讀碟但是就停住了,也沒當機就停在那,返回後<BR>改成智能模式就可以順利播放<BR>2個半小時又重看了一次....不知道看第幾次了!還是目不轉睛盯著<BR>這片真是太好看了<BR>TRUEHD音效也很棒<BR>網友給我的是外語版<BR>所以我把繁體SRT放到資料夾內<BR>就可以看到中文了<BR>還好不是肉醬版!!!<BR>不然就看不成了</P>
<P>網友給我的CAR 天使與魔鬼 T4都是肉醬版<BR>只能用藍光導航模式看<BR>不然也是會一段接一段的黑幕!<BR>BDMV播放都很順利,音軌也都正常</P>
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發表於 2009-12-29 09:02:01 | 顯示全部樓層
原帖由 <i>panypan</i> 於 2009-12-29 00:55 發表 <a href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359850&amp;ptid=31446" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" alt="" border="0"></a>
新版韌體在發第二批機之前一定會先提供給大家
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我發現對於肉醬版,用智能模式是行不通的還是會有段落跟段落之間的黑幕而且段落有長有短,有時一分鐘有時10分鐘廠商真是防拷的徹底
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另外黑暗騎士的BDISO改成B ...
<br><br>所以說只要不是肉醬<br>原盤播放都可以外掛字幕囉??&nbsp; 不知道效果如何??<br><br>藍光導航和智能播放&nbsp; 是每一次開機都要設定嗎??<br><br>謝謝~<br>
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發表於 2009-12-29 09:54:17 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>panypan</I> 於 2009-12-28 21:56 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359657&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> &nbsp; 所以您列舉的這些片我只要從頭尾都是TRUEHD就是正常了還是說我需要特別去選啥項目來放映? &nbsp;
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<P>panyan兄</P>
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<P>如果播放機未有解決Secondary Audio問題</P>
<P>你的receiver應該會收到的音效是LPCM</P>
<P>(p.s. 以上的片子除了Ku Fu Panda外, 都是環球出品的DTS HDMA音效)</P>
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-29 11:05:35 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>chhanthony</I> 於 2009-12-29 09:54 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359987&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> &nbsp; panyan兄 &nbsp; 如果播放機未有解決Secondary Audio問題你的receiver應該會收到的音效是LPCM (p.s. 以上的片子除了Ku Fu Panda外, 都是環球出品的DTS HDMA音效) ...
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<P>好的!我去跟網友借片子</P>
<P>至少手上這幾片都很正常</P>
<P>沒有音軌問題</P>
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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-29 11:09:16 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>dennis0201</I> 於 2009-12-29 09:02 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359963&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> 所以說只要不是肉醬原盤播放都可以外掛字幕囉??&nbsp; 不知道效果如何??藍光導航和智能播放&nbsp; 是每一次開機都要設定嗎??謝謝~
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<P>對的!把繁體字幕存到BDMV內跟M2TS放一起就可以了</P>
<P>只要字幕的時間碼是對的,就是圖片上那樣的字幕</P>
<P>我看DARK KNIGHT非常的棒!</P>
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<P>藍光導航或是智能播放設一次就好</P>
<P>當然會因為影片種類要調整再去調</P>
<P>能的話我想用智能模式</P>
<P>看那些片頭跟預告真是煩死</P>
<P>尤其是CAR</P>
<P>預告跟片頭有夠長</P>
<P>可惜CAR是肉醬版.....</P>
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發表於 2009-12-29 11:14:35 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>panypan</I> 於 2009-12-29 11:09 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=360033&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> &nbsp; 對的!把繁體字幕存到BDMV內跟M2TS放一起就可以了只要字幕的時間碼是對的,就是圖片上那樣的字幕我看DARK KNIGHT非常的棒! &nbsp; 藍光導航或是智能播放設一次就好當然會因為影片種類要調整再去調能的話我想 ...
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<P>智能播放的確比較方面</P>
<P>C-200就未有這個功能</P>
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發表於 2009-12-29 13:20:15 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>chhanthony</I> 於 2009-12-29 11:14 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=360036&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> &nbsp; 智能播放的確比較方面 C-200就未有這個功能
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<P>最好是希望廠商能將韌體加上:以智能播放時,肉醬檔能無縫播放</P>
<P>這一功能,就更能完美了!!</P>
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發表於 2009-12-31 09:43:38 | 顯示全部樓層
一編有關HDX BD-1的報導
from MPC Club

http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22467

Last news article of the year, let's make it about HDX and their newly announced BD-1... We received a sample which we can play with while HDX continues developing firmware to make the unit a bit more mature as we both agree it's not there just yet to please the more demanding customer or balance the value of the expected MSRP at €279 properly in features and stability. As with all companies at first, HDX will need time to mature their software layers as it is clear they are at the very beginning of creating their own middleware and enable themselves to be independant in the future and develop whatever they feel is a priority. This however leads to the HDX BD-1 to be immature at this early stage just like the launch of the other "new chip based" media players we seen over the last few months. None had an impressive sheet to deliver where one mainly was impressing for the price (€99), the other for the hardware (rf remote, big display, full size alluminum design) and now the HDX BD-1, fir it's size (although not that mini). It all will come down to what HDX can provide in the coming months to make this a success.

On the interface called HDX "voir", we feel it has nothing much worth to "voir" just yet (voir = look/see in French) as it lines up images and clearly show some borders and rought overlays. That's about it, but HDX is working on a surprise as interface and even dropped the word "XBDM" in the process of dicssussing so let's see what they come up with...). Know that purchasing the HDX BD-1 is an investment and not a real exchange at first so mostly fit for the ones adopting to the newest models fast and pioneering. Updates will open the road for the regular customers along the way...

The BD-1 will support BD backups and original disks via external attached BD-ROM. BNot all drives will work as a license is required for each model supported and HDX has not closed the research yet. The unit supports both SMB and NFS as network protocol but network functions are still unstable and an auto detect network seems to fail with our unit. we already notified HDX to provide a manual solution if this happens.
HDX takes the safe approach with starting to deliver the unit and basic / minimal functions that make up for the core of the unit including NFS, SMB, UPnP, BD support and general playback. Contents include battery, remote (same as PCH C-200 without RF and white backlit), manual, power supply, HDMI cable and the player. The unit has both USB and eSATA ports for extensions.

We look forward to review the BD-1 fully by the end of January (either Advocate86 or me will conduct it, or maybe even both) which gives HDX several weeks to come up with some fixes and enhancements to dress up for success...
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原帖由 <I>panypan</I> 於 2009-12-29 00:55 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=359850&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> 新版韌體在發第二批機之前一定會先提供給大家 &nbsp; 我發現對於肉醬版,用智能模式是行不通的還是會有段落跟段落之間的黑幕而且段落有長有短,有時一分鐘有時10分鐘廠商真是防拷的徹底 &nbsp; 另外黑暗騎士的BDISO改成B ...
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<P>請問Panypan兄,由目前的狀況來看,次世代音源擴大機點燈看來是沒問題了</P>
<P>不過還有些問題想請教</P>
<P>(1)討論串中的測試,大多是用本機硬碟播放,</P>
<P>想請問,若是存在電腦中,透過網路線傳輸來播放BDISO,BDMV,MKV等時,是否順暢?會不會Lag?</P>
<P>可否請兄測試一下並公佈,謝謝</P>
<P>(2)過去的HDX1000,本身無法播放RM檔,但可透過<FONT color=black><STRONG>myiHome</STRONG>軟體程式,連接電腦來播RM</FONT></P>
<P>不曉得HDX BD1是否也可以?若可行,是目前已經ok還是要等新韌體?大概何時推出?</P>

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 樓主| 發表於 2009-12-31 19:12:05 | 顯示全部樓層
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原帖由 <I>jon</I> 於 2009-12-31 14:30 發表 <A href="http://www.hd.club.tw/redirect.php?goto=findpost&amp;pid=362161&amp;ptid=31446" target=_blank><IMG border=0 alt="" src="http://www.hd.club.tw/images/common/back.gif"></A> 請問Panypan兄,由目前的狀況來看,次世代音源擴大機點燈看來是沒問題了不過還有些問題想請教 (1)討論串中的測試,大多是用本機硬碟播放, 想請問,若是存在電腦中,透過網路線傳輸來播放BDISO,BDMV,MKV等時,是否順暢?會 ...
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<P>1.SAMBA功能聽原廠說是已經準備好了</P>
<P>我手上有測試版韌體,但是我還沒空弄,這兩天放假會測看看</P>
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<P>2.用TVERISTY之類的UPNP已經可以分享RMVB給HDX-BD1</P>
<P>這點是沒問題的</P>
<P>只是原來MYIHOME不能用比較可惜</P>
<P>看原廠有沒開發新軟體來配合!</P>
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