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[新品速報] Sony 4K媒體播放機開賣訂價699美元;Red也加入戰局

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 樓主| 發表於 2013-7-3 12:17:02 | 顯示全部樓層
VW1000ES確實可以使用這台.
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發表於 2013-7-3 12:25:18 | 顯示全部樓層
r32 發表於 2013-7-3 11:40
Owners of the 55X900A and 65X900A and the FMP-X1UD can schedule activation of a the player by clicki ...

買播放機還要開通? 又不是買手機
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發表於 2013-7-3 12:26:55 | 顯示全部樓層
miller 發表於 2013-7-3 00:35
沒有消息指出4K電影可"實體商品化"嗎??
(BD裝不下了...??)

BD 用 H.265 可裝 4K 影片
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發表於 2013-7-8 09:23:37 | 顯示全部樓層
"The biggest issue is copy protection on the movies and it was a last minute addition. Each movie will be tagged and locked to that Player, so if someone try's to copy it they will know.

The other side is the player will also be locked to the tv Panel, which is going to frustrate people if they have 2 4k tv's(can't move the player from one tv to another). That is the main reason for the upgrade and it is being enforced by Sony Pictures.

This is why there is such a hold up on Blu-ray 4k Copy protection, HDMI 2.0, HEVC(h.265)"

post by space2001, avs
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-7-8 12:41:35 | 顯示全部樓層
如我所料,Sony為保護4K影音資產,每部下載至這部多媒體播放器的4K軟體,都有鎖碼過只能在同一步機上播放,無法複製至其他設備。此外,每部Sony 4K播放機只認一台Sony 4K電視,如果家中擁有兩台4K電視(即便都是Sony),似乎也行不通....
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發表於 2013-7-8 12:51:38 | 顯示全部樓層
terry 發表於 2013-7-3 12:17
VW1000ES確實可以使用這台.

請問版主有親自試用過嗎?
因為AVC論壇及SONY自家網頁
http://store.sony.com/p/4K-Media-Server/en/p/FMPX1#reviews
都有寫到" It is NOT compatible with the 1000ES"
不相容VW1000ES,本來想買來試的
我看等SONY修正好在購入吧
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-7-8 13:06:53 | 顯示全部樓層
有看到國外Sony原廠人員表示可以與VW1000ES相容。
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發表於 2013-7-8 13:51:44 | 顯示全部樓層
terry 發表於 2013-7-8 12:41
如我所料,Sony為保護4K影音資產,每部下載至這部多媒體播放器的4K軟體,都有鎖碼過只能在同一步機上播放, ...

4K播放機和4K電視綁定!
糟糕! 4K 播放機就不能借給朋友了!
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發表於 2013-7-8 13:53:59 | 顯示全部樓層
超.....爆笑!
Sony 這台 4K 播放機竟不能接一般的Full HD電視機來看4K電影!!!!!!
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發表於 2013-7-8 15:22:50 | 顯示全部樓層
這台播放機綁手綁腳的 , 我想擁有電影公司的索尼可能是 "既期待又怕受傷害"

另外問一個奇怪的問題
如果中間接一台4K環擴...那這台環擴也是要SONY的嗎?
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-7-8 15:44:06 | 顯示全部樓層
剛才有網友問我這台如果串接AV擴大機,是否也要Sony家機器才行?這點我想連Sony自己一時都還沒想到,請看下面sony產品說明書提供的連接方法,要用家直接把 FMP-X1接上Sony 4K電視,根本沒提擴大機......

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/FMPX1.pdf
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發表於 2013-7-8 15:52:57 | 顯示全部樓層
terry 發表於 2013-7-8 15:44
剛才有網友問我這台如果串接AV擴大機,是否也要Sony家機器才行?這點我想連Sony自己一時都還沒想到,請看下 ...

terry兄:

  我覺得會想入手嘗鮮的人 , 玩av的一定不少 , 不論這些玩家的顯示器是84x9000 / 65 55x9000A 或是VW1000ES  , 應該會有一部環擴劇院組(環擴的HDMI能否支援4K也是問題 , 這台4K播放機好像有兩組HDMI可解決? ) , 這就延申了上述問題了..重點還有這些下載的4K電影 , 聲音格式為何?

  
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 樓主| 發表於 2013-7-8 16:08:20 | 顯示全部樓層
Fred 發表於 2013-7-8 15:52
terry兄:

  我覺得會想入手嘗鮮的人 , 玩av的一定不少 , 不論這些玩家的顯示器是84x9000 / 65 55x9000A  ...

Fred兄,我的連結中有到"LPCM 5.1"環繞音效....
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發表於 2013-7-8 16:12:10 | 顯示全部樓層
terry 發表於 2013-7-8 16:08
Fred兄,我的連結中有到"LPCM 5.1"環繞音效....


terry兄

  我"希望"是 DolbyTrueHD與DTS-HDMA 5.1 / 7.1
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發表於 2013-7-8 16:13:08 | 顯示全部樓層
這台Sony 4K 播放機, 規矩太多, 一定賣不好!
敢再此大撣預測!
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發表於 2013-7-9 09:25:55 | 顯示全部樓層
In better news, Sony confirmed it would offer full support to all Sony 4K TV buyers who buy first-gen 4K TVs, should there be any later changes to the 4K TV standard. The issue centres around a potential new 4K video standard, which wouldn't be compatible with existing 4K TVs' HDMI 1.4 inputs.

Gyles said: "Sony 4K sets are future-proofed. Customers are our number one priority and Sony will provide all the necessary solutions to the 4K TV owner to access future 4K content services once they start in respective TV markets."

The guy in charge of HE seems focused on these 4K TV's. i'm sure it would build confidence if he made the same statement for the projectors.

post by zombie10k, avs
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發表於 2013-7-10 10:56:14 | 顯示全部樓層
本文章最後由 r32 於 2013-7-10 11:16 編輯

Let's see what the anger is about here.

Sony released a server with a level of protection that requires it to be used with only 4K displays made by Sony and requires every Sony display made before server release to be modified. While the division that made the decision re the level of protection imposed probably was intelligent enough to know that pre displays wouldn't work, other divisions such as panels and projectors were basically blind sided. Surely if the panel division knew, it would have delayed the release of the 55 and 65 until it had the right security stuff inside.

Re the projector, I think the projector division knew for some time that the projector would not work with the server upon release but would be enabled at some later time. I doubt they knew all the reasons why it wouldn't work. Surely they were also blind sided by the last minute level of security in the server.

Now Sony is scrambling to take care of its 4K panels. To modify the design so that new shipments have the right stuff inside and to quickly fix the ones out there. Its all tied up with big time marketing campaigns too. Speed is of the essence especially if the 4K content service is to launch soon and start earning Sony revenue.

Re the 1000ES. A fix needs to be designed, manufactured and installed in all 1000ES projectors made so far, at least for those who want to use the sony server with it and Sony movies which requiring a Sony panel or 4K projector to be watched. The projector division is tiny. Sony does not have many technicians in the field that can service a projector. They are small and easy enough to ship to a centralized repair facility although having to do this for a mod will piss off some customers for a variety of reasons.

People want to know now that a fix or modification will be made available so they can watch Sony 4K movies.. They want to know what the fix is, when it will be available, how much it will cost, if anything, the procedures to be followed, how long those procedures will take, whether Sony will pay for mounting and remounting, whether if it has to be shipped, will sony pay shipping both ways, yada yada, yada, yada. The list goes on and on and on and WE want all the answers now and they better be the right answers for everyone here if that were possible and it isn't because there are differences between many of us.

post by mark haflich, avs
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發表於 2013-7-10 11:18:22 | 顯示全部樓層
From July 3, 2013

The Anti-Piracy and Content Protection Summit in Los Angeles last week had a number of interesting speakers, not least Sony Pictures CTO Spencer Stephens. With Sony just confirming that its new 4K player will debut in weeks, Stephens has revealed his wish-list for future 4K content protection. In addition to watermarking files with the identity of the user, the Sony CTO says that 4K players should have an Internet connection in order authenticate each video playback.

Earlier this year, Sony announced its new FMP-X1 4K Ultra HD Media Player in preparation for bringing the highest quality video available into homes around the world. 4K video will bring a resolution of 3840 × 2160 to the market, with the 4K referencing the almost-4000 pixel horizontal resolution.

Just this week Sony confirmed that its new device, which is only compatible with Sony’s own 4K TVs, will be arriving in homes from July 15th . Priced at $699, the player will require activation via the 4KActivation.com website.

Sony also named its new online 4K content distribution service which is due to launch later in the year. Video Unlimited 4K will offer movies and TV shows for direct download to its 4K player.

How the studios intend to protect their 4K content from piracy going forward has not been publicly outlined. However, during last week’s Anti-Piracy and Content Protection Summit in Los Angeles, Sony Pictures CTO Spencer Stephens gave a presentation which included his company’s wish-list for 4K DRM.

Bill Rosenblatt, who spoke at the summit for his company GiantSteps Media, notes that Stephens described the introduction of 4K as an opportunity to start with a fresh anti-piracy design. This, along with Sony’s “wish-list”, suggests that the final approach is yet to be agreed.

Nevertheless, at this stage Sony appears to be clear on its DRM requirements. Although fairly predictable, they aren’t going to win them many fans.

After the infamous cracking of HDCP, Sony is backing HDCP 2.2 * to protect the digital outputs of its devices from unauthorized video capture. HDCP 2.2 also has a ‘localization‘ feature, which limits the distance over which an HDCP player will feed content to a receiver such as a TV. This should stop people playing HDCP-protected content over the Internet.

Next, Sony wants each video title to be unique, meaning that the cracking of one piece of content doesn’t open up the floodgates to everything else. The company also wants video playback to take place in a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE), ensuring that sensitive data is processed and protected in a secure manner while allowing software upgrades.

And now the intrusive stuff.

Sony says it wants 4K content to be watermarked with the identity of the device or user who downloaded it, meaning that should the above countermeasures become cracked at some point, it will be possible to trace content back to its original owner. It won’t necessarily follow that those individuals are responsible for any ‘leak’ but they could forever associated with that content if it should.

Of particular interest given all the fuss over Xbox One’s former requirement to be connected to the Internet on a daily basis (and Sony’s response of needing no such thing for PS4), is Sony’s final wish-list item for 4K.

If the company has its way, all 4K players will need to authenticate themselves online before each and every playback. This will enable content providers to identify both unauthorized content and hacked players. However, if you are a legitimate customer with no Internet connection – permanently or temporarily – content will not play on your 4K device.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that content providers are viewing the Internet as a means to remain in constant contact with ‘their’ hardware and content wherever it may be. Going forward that will provide an unprecedented level of control. At least, that’s the plan.

http://torrentfreak.com/sony-vid ... eat-pirates-130703/

* HDCP 2.2 :   
http://www.digital-cp.com/files/ ... 20Rev2_2_Final1.pdf

EDIT: If you click on the pdf link for the HDCP 2.2 above you will find the requirements for the Authentication Protocal, Authentication and Key Exchange, Pairing, and Locality Check.  Just guessing but I expect this is part of the hardware that is missing in your projectors.  Looks like the encription/decrypting process will require internet connection to obtain a key.  Then you have watermarking or what ever else Sony wants to do.

source :  http://www.avsforum.com/t/1359018/sony-vpl-vw1000/4950
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發表於 2013-7-10 11:28:23 | 顯示全部樓層
本文章最後由 r32 於 2013-7-10 11:32 編輯

4K Video Format Finally Has a Content Source in Sony’s FMP-X1 Media Player
By Michael Heiss July 3,2013

To start, the FMP-X1 is only compatible with the two most recent Sony 55- and 65-inch XBR x900A models. Hook it up to anything else, even Sony’s own 4K-native VPL-VW1000ES projector or the 84-inch flat-panel set, and it simply won’t work. Sony reminds us that there is a different server bundled with the XBR-84X900, but if the display is anything other than the two X900A models, then you are just out of luck.

In terms of content acquisition, storage, and control, be reminded that this is a Sony-specific product only presumably using the eyeIO codec, although it is possible that others might be useable at a future date. It is also a “download and store-only” product and service. Content is not streamed, but downloaded to the internal 2TB hard drive, so expect it to take about nine hours to download any new content not already on the drive. A rear-panel USB connection is available to connect additional hard drive storage and there is also a USB 3.0 port on the front surface.

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As for the question of the installation, itself. Clearly any custom firm that will provision this sort of product will need to be there to do some of the physical and other connections, but be forewarned that Sony is requiring that “in-home premium activation” be performed by them, presumably through third parties who have received the requisite training. If that is NOT you, and that is likely to be the case, you have no choice but to schedule the installation with this additional outside firm. Precise details on what this “activation” involves were not available at press time.

With all of the caveats aside, including the use of this 4K content server currently being restricted to not just one brand’s displays, but to specific models only within their product line, the availability of the FMP-X1 this month is an important step forward for 4K/UHDTV. Again, while somewhat limited on both content availability and device compatibility, it certainly does answer those who claim that 4K is a format in search of content. This is only the first of what one can expect of many such devices to come as time moves forward. With Sony leading the charge here as a proof-point on 4K content distribution it is a safe bet that other and more open services and devices from the likes of Netflix and others are going to follow sooner than later.
http://www.residentialsystems.com/residential-systems/0001/4k-video-format-finally-has-a-content-source-in-sonys-fmp-x1-media-player/84773

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發表於 2013-7-11 08:44:32 | 顯示全部樓層
本文章最後由 r32 於 2013-7-11 08:46 編輯

Good news for US 1000ES user.....

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source : avs
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